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« on: December 03, 2009, 09:05:54 PM »
feather duster lost its feathers so to say. its still alive but what causes this and how long till he recovers. not its just looks like a stick with a little cabbage stickin out the end. lol its actually kinda funny but oh so sad. i swear if one of the crabs caused this they are out.
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Re: featherduster
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2009, 10:50:59 PM »
He is starving. They discard their "feathers", or crown, and grow a new, smaller and more easily maintained one. If the worm is in the tube, he should recover, assuming their is something producing plankton in the tank.
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Re: featherduster
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2009, 01:12:10 AM »
either that or when they are stressed they will drop their crown as well. Like lanny said, as long as the worm is still in the tube all should be AOK..
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Re: featherduster
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2009, 01:51:39 AM »
hmmmm. i feel really stupid askin but what all would put plankton in the tank. like that is not a powder or chem. i try and refrain from using any chems in my tank.
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Re: featherduster
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2009, 11:00:13 AM »
Basically, if you have some algae in the tank, and copepods, amphipods, etc, it/they are producing algae. You probably don't want to bother with plankton additives. They are expensive, and in my book, pointless. Maybe someone has used them to their benefit here, but for me, they merely foul the water and are too hard to target feed proper.

That is another reason I am a fan of those tiny chitons that I gave jake. At any given time I look in my tanks, there are several in the act of spawning. I have tons and tons of them in the tank, so I think it serves as some good regular feeding for my corals and inverts.
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Re: featherduster
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2009, 11:53:34 AM »
ok Thanks a lot.  also there is always some algea in the tank. i never take it all out cause it is too hard to get to in some spots. thats what the urchin and snails are for. lol. i am constantly trying to maintain a balance witht he aquarium but sometimes something takes over. lol. but back to the crown of the featherduster. should i remove the crown or will something eat it?? i dont know if it will break up as soon as i get a hold of it or what and thats a lot of lil pieces to fish for if it does.he is still in his tube he just looks weird now. lol. i didnt know if i needed to do something or  not. he is the one that is attatched to the castle but i will be moving the castle sometime this weekend to make room for live rock. not removing it just adjusting it in thet tank. is it safe to pull him off the castle or should i move him with it?i will post pix when i change that tank so that everyone can see.
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Re: featherduster
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2009, 12:03:41 PM »
you can grab it, scoop it whatever, it shouldnt disintegrate yet...

andyea, it will grow back.. mine started showing his new crown just last week, after more then a 1-1/2 month



and also, NO to the additives for phyto or zooplex

maybe some filter feeders will eat that, but chances are they got plenty to eat already...    (fish poo, left over food, other nutrients/nitrates)

but, if you get some filter feeder that needs to be target fed, then maybe... but not to just generally feed the tank, NO


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Re: featherduster
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2009, 01:45:24 PM »
besides starvation, if could be a water quality issue or change in parameters (did you acclimate it?  how?)that caused the duster to drop its radioles.

a good quality, single-species LIVE phytoplankton product (Phyto 2 is probably the best stuff out there, since it's single-species, and packed in sterile SW, so there are no leftover fertilizers) won't hurt the tank, and will help your filter feeders.  in fact, i've tried to overdose a small tank with it and it couldn't be done.  don't use DT's...nasty stuff.  Reef Nutrition is a good second choice.

IME, if you feed the tank a couple of times a week, not only will your filter feeders love you, but it will increase your pod population, as they also eat the stuff.
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Re: featherduster
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2009, 01:57:20 PM »
yes, live phyto is definatley better, and phyto 2 is up there as for quality


and yes, feeind that to a tank or to your macro algae will help boost pods, all kinds of pods...  but after they get so big / plentiful it really is a waste and will probably only go to boosting your nutrient...

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Re: featherduster
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2009, 02:23:03 PM »
you could also grow your own phyto, but if you do, raise something other than Nannochloropsis, as it has a very tough cell wall that pods can't digest (unfortunately, "nanno" is the easiest to culture).
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Re: featherduster
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2009, 02:33:59 PM »
but the other slightly smaller one is fine. they have both been in the tank over a month though the green(smaller one) has been in there longer and hasnt ever lost his crown. there are lost of copods and brine shrimp scurring around( mostly at night). the whole back side is covered with green and red algea. should i really try and put something in the tank to feed it??
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Re: featherduster
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2009, 01:39:14 PM »
ok. he closed himself in his tube. what should i do. just leave him be or what???
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Re: featherduster
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2009, 02:15:33 PM »
Stress is cumulative with most aquarium residents. The more you handle it, the more stressed it will become. To oversimplify, a hormone is released by organisms in response to stress. Think our adrenal system, but instead of thirty seconds of adrenaline followed by a day long crash, stretch that whole operation over a month.

So you handle an organism, it releases this hormone in response to the stress. It takes several weeks for the hormone level to return to baseline, i.e. the organism to recover from the stress event. If during that time, the organism is stressed again, it will release the hormone again on top of that which remains in the system. So if it doesn't reach baseline before being stressed again, you will end up with higher overall hormone levels than the first event. If this keeps happening, your organism will reach a concentration of this hormone that it cannot recover from. Again, way oversimplified, but essentially the reason that change is bad...

The recovery time varies greatly depending on the organism and the severity of the stress, but this is the basic response of any organism to stress.

Cal Fish and Game did a big impact study with hook and line fishing and cortisol (stress hormone in vertebrates) levels in sport fish and found that it takes most fish almost two months to return to baseline after the stress of being caught via hook and line. I can only imagine how long it takes after being netted, thrown into crappy water at the collection facility, starved, bagged, sedated, shipped across half the globe, thrown into different crappy water at the wholesaler, bagged up, brought to the pet store, dumped in even more nasty water, bagged yet again, and thrown into our tanks...

Poor little fellers...
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Re: featherduster
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2009, 08:20:48 PM »
so leave him be. works for me. but is there anything i can do to help?>???
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Re: featherduster
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2009, 10:17:04 PM »
leave him be, and just hang out... it took two months for mine to come back and show his new feather crown...

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