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Re: Which Testing Kit should I get?
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2010, 09:16:43 AM »
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Re: Which Testing Kit should I get?
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2010, 09:21:42 AM »
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Re: Which Testing Kit should I get?
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2010, 09:39:10 AM »
sorry ot hear about the banghai....

Let us know what your lfs says about refunding, although i doubt they will, at least you should try and find out...

cardinals are solitary.. they dont frolic with others.. even others of the same species... they just kinda hang...

banghai's dont like to hang with other banghais, btw.. they will either mate, and then kill each other, or fight the other if same sex


pj cardinals arent agressive towards each other.. which is why i have three of them...


they just kinda hang with each other, some times, and just hang bty themselves


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Re: Which Testing Kit should I get?
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2010, 09:40:13 AM »
and you dont need a net, although you should have one... but your born with two nets... and they have opposing thumbs built in....

oh, yea... your part of the GLOVE crew... hehehehe


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Re: Which Testing Kit should I get?
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2010, 09:53:31 AM »
I didn't want to take him out just yet without a net because where he was I would have to disturb the rocks. Also he still alive and I don't have any other place to put him. Didn't really have time to start messing with it as I was getting ready to go to work. I just don't understand why he would all of a sudden just turn over and die???

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Re: Which Testing Kit should I get?
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2010, 09:57:46 AM »
well some fish do sleep, and are really docile when sleeping, but they usually dont sleep on thier sides, (some do, as my blue tang did... )

but, Im guessing he is not long for this world or your tank... and hopefully he will either float to an area you can get at with the net, or he will be snacks for yoru shrimp


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Re: Which Testing Kit should I get?
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2010, 07:11:36 PM »
Aren't cardinals schooling fish? I though I read somewhere that they were.
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Re: Which Testing Kit should I get?
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2010, 10:10:21 PM »
some are, some arent... the banghai ARENT... and that is a BIG ARENT

it is sad that lfs sell them from tanks that have dozens of fish in there, but what theyarent saying is that these fish are juveniles and probably form the same brood...

as they mature and become sexual, they are  very competitive and instinctualy prohibitive of any other cross breeding...

on the other side, they are excellent parents, at least until they hatch... the fathers hold the babies in their mouths...

pj cardinals can be housed together, but they dont typically 'swim' together...

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Re: Which Testing Kit should I get?
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2010, 10:56:54 PM »
lol, from nano-reef.com
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Banggaii cardinals get along with their own kind, as well as with other peaceful tank mates.


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Re: Which Testing Kit should I get?
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2010, 10:07:37 AM »
they have never kept b anghai for more then a fe months obviuosly...

and of course they never kept them till they bred/mated

but, i already know most of the folks on that forum and know the level of information that is available there...


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Re: Which Testing Kit should I get?
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2010, 01:16:42 PM »
My experience points me in exactly the opposite direction. I have kept a lot of them for much more than a few months. They do a lot better in groups. They are indeed social fish, and school depending on the society. If you get three (mff), it is likely that two will pair and the odd man out will be attacked and worried until it dies. If you get seven, you will never see this happen because it isn't one "odd man out", it is five odd men out. They will all hang together in that situation, not interacting to the level of a pair of clowns, but definitely schooling.

Any paired fish of any species will become very territorial and the pair is likely to do some damage on conspecifics, but if it isn't directed at a single individual, than it will likely not cause any damage.

With a fish that is BARELY sexually dimorphic, you have no way of telling if you have pairs, or a bunch of males. Three males will fight to the death. A male and female will fight until they get down, and then start hassling the odd man out. Perhaps that was your issue Bill?

Wild caught specimens are not going to be related, and the vast majority of these fish being sold are still wild caught. They are often very difficult to get onto frozen prepared foods, so perhaps that was your issue NBR?

Lastly, on the topic of brooding and inbreeding, fish have no restrictive mechanisms to avoid inbreeding other than the odds. The comment on them being from the same brood bears no influence on their potential for breeding or how they will interact. Fish basically hit the water and split. Their is no parental care into sexual maturity in any species.
There is something fishy going on here...

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Re: Which Testing Kit should I get?
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2010, 04:25:44 PM »
i have ZERO direct experience with banghai, BUT, i did sleep at a marriott hotel three years ago...


Actually, i met a couple that breed banghais.. they live in pasadena, near hastings rach and sierra madre...

And maybe thier expereince is more geared to reproduction/breeding... and maybe the more then the pair will inhibit the breeding process, so, although they might survive, it isnt a total or rather there is no benefit to keeping them in groups...


as for the inbreeding issues, i was referring to them being familiar with each other and being young/juvenile, so they might not be as agressive, until they do mature and or start breeding/pairing/ and hopefully mating...

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Re: Which Testing Kit should I get?
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2010, 04:59:08 PM »
Hey guys...
The Banghai passed on last nite and he had turned into a snack for the hermits until I got him out.
Today I tested the water and the Nitrate is high. I did a 5 gallon water change and cleaned the filter. I had just cleaned that last week when I was having problems with the skimmer. I just walked by and saw one of the black clowns was missing. :( I found that he was under some rocks and was being eaton by the hermit crabs!!
Other than the nitrate being high I don't understand what is going on?!?!?!?! I will post the nitrate levels in a bit but I dont have that in front me right now.

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Re: Which Testing Kit should I get?
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2010, 06:06:37 PM »
if you're wondering what the fish is in that last post, it's Kaudern's Cardinal Fish, AKA Banggai Cardinal Fish.
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Re: Which Testing Kit should I get?
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2010, 02:08:54 PM »
Sorry to hear about your fish.
What were your nitrates?
Perhaps another WC will reduce them?
Tania :0)