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Re: the Newbies Adventures
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2010, 07:54:42 AM »
yea my tank is only 13" deep so light goes straight to the bottom easily. i'm actually thinkin the light fixture i bought will work and in the long run i can buy a small blue LED light to mount on it i have 60 days to return it so i guess we'll see

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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2010, 09:33:55 PM »
whats the deal with LED's i have read the newer aquarium LED set ups are par for the course and actually really improve coral growth and all around health. As long as they have the proper emmitter on them i actually dont really know to much about these emitters but i'am seriously thinking and leaning towards doing my entire lighting set up with The Marineland Double Bright Lighting System i have found a place about a our away that carry them for about 100.00 bucks

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Re: the Newbies Adventures
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2010, 09:40:01 AM »
leds are new new new...

there is zero way for someone to prove to me that led will grow coral...

if, after they use the leds for years, and show growth pictures, etc. then i will believe it...

until then, i will use what is tried and true...

the big issue with leds is that they keep changing.. about every six months or so...

it used to be high power 1 watt led.. now it is 3 watt, and 5 watt...

they also make 10-20-50 watt leds


by the time someone builds a fixture and plugs in 3 watt leds, they are already producing and by that time they stopped testing the growth on the 1 watt leds


price for led fixtures are thru the roof.

i can guarantee that the 100 dollar led fixture is underpowered and using smaller led emitters...

there were several newer led fixtures at the show yesterday,. but thier starting prices were over $500 for the smallest fixtures,  (12")

a smaller tank, will need less light, but still i believe the more light the better...

whats the deal with LED's i have read the newer aquarium LED set ups are par for the course and actually really improve coral growth and all around health. As long as they have the proper emmitter on them i actually dont really know to much about these emitters but i'am seriously thinking and leaning towards doing my entire lighting set up with The Marineland Double Bright Lighting System i have found a place about a our away that carry them for about 100.00 bucks

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Re: the Newbies Adventures
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2010, 01:47:49 PM »
fair enough dual 18" T5's it is one full spectrum 18'000 k and one blue actinic

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Re: the Newbies Adventures
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2010, 06:31:54 PM »
I have seen limited successes with LED lighting. They looked awesome, but none of them have matured beyond more than maybe two years and lacked any sensitive SPS corals and clams, and so aren't really all that conclusive. I still assume it is lacking in serious ways, and incapable of sustaining the more demanding organisms. My logic is as follows:

Marijuana cultivation is a million times more popular and profitable than coral cultivation. The lighting issues for horticulture (heat, PAR/watt, spectrum, bulb life, and operating cost) are the same as those that weigh us reef keepers down. As there is more profit to be had, the likelihood of product innovations is much higher in horticulture. There are a ton of people working on LED lighting systems for marijuana, with countless dollars being poured into the research. There are a ton of people growing with LED, but the product they are producing is crap, with low yields, low cannabinoid content, and poor taste. The reefkeeping LED technology is at the same position. It can work for some stuff, but not as well as better developed technologies.

It took 150 years of research to get a 20K metal halide bulb. LEDs have only been around for like 30.

In short, when they work well, everyone will be using them.
There is something fishy going on here...

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Re: the Newbies Adventures
« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2010, 09:20:44 PM »
I dont think you really realize how much i cherish your opinions if it was'nt for this forum i'd be lost half the time you guys have answered every question i've ever came up with and helped my decision making process 

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Re: the Newbies Adventures
« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2010, 11:00:42 PM »
i love the maryjane analogy but dont agree with teh time issue you present.. certainly we make leaps and bounds that are not contraint to time being linear.... we waited hndreds and thousands of years to come up with a wheel, and then tens of thousands to develpe a car, and then in the last thiry years we flew to the moon and back and lived in space


but, yea, follow the money, and if horticulture aint using it, then it certainly has to be a fad right now, or just seriously overpirced


for the record, my opinion on why leds arent going to be useful/beneficial is that leds are very specific with teh   light frequency they produce/emit... if plants and corals/zooanxthellae need multiple light spectrums then you would need a different led for each color...


as for power savings.. im also not sure it is that significant. at least not directly.. currently some of the led fixtures i have seen are ab out 25% less power to operate them... so if you had a 250 watt metal halide, you can prolly get away with an led fixture that produces about 175watt

the benefit might be the indirect issue of 'radiant heat' i.e. heating your tank water....

you would save money on chillers and the electricy to operate it..


ultimately, like lanny so eloquently put it it, if it aint good enuf for drug dealers then it aint good enough for me...


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